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By Peter J. Nash

May 3, 2011

James Spence of JSA.

 

James Spence Authentication (JSA) recently authenticated a Jack Johnson autograph on a trading card issued two years after the boxer’s death.  They authenticated an alleged Harry Wright signature that was actually signed by a 19th century telegraph operator (the item was pulled from three different auctions).  They even authenticated secretarial signatures of Presidents Warren Harding and Zachary Taylor as genuine.  In addition,  AutographAlert.com published an investigative report that exposed how the authentication company failed to authenticate a host of genuine items that they had previously certified as authentic. 

And who can forget JSA’s authentication of a 19th-century letter alleged to have been written by Hall of Famer Ed Delahanty.  Even though the auction house selling the letter in 2006 was presented with authentic exemplars of Delahanty’s signature and handwriting directly from Delahanty’s relatives and his biographer, Dr. Jerrold Casway, JSA went ahead and authenticated the document that was actually written in 1899 as a secretarial letter by Delahanty’s Phillies manager, Billy Shettsline. What’s more, the signature of Delahanty on the letter was even misspelled, D-E-L-E-H-A-N-T-Y.  JSA didn’t even note in their LOA that the name was misspelled. 

Unfortunately, a collector relying on JSA’s advertised expertise paid over $30,000 for the bogus letter and later consigned it to Robert Edward Auctions in 2009.  At the time, experts informed REA of the problems with the letter, but the auction house didn’t withdraw it until Delahanty’s biographer, Dr. Jerrold Casway, produced period newspaper reports showing that Delahanty was in Cleveland on December 27, 1899.  The letter JSA authenticated was written by manager Billy Shettsline in, “Philada(lphia), Pa. Dec. 27, 1899.”   

In the last few weeks, Haulsofshame.com readers have identified a number of other questionable JSA authentications of Hall of Famer signatures featured in sales as the Spring baseball auction circuit swings into full gear.  Browsing catalogues and websites packed with thousands of items available for consumers,  an army of collectors may be unknowingly placing bids on forgeries of Hall of Famers with a false sense of security that what they are buying is authentic-simply because it comes with a letter of authenticity (LOA) from JSA.  Our readers have recently made us aware that JSA has certified as authentic several questionable signatures alleged to have been penned by Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig and Ty Cobb

From EBAY to major auction houses, errors and mistakes abound, and a recent interview by Haulsofshame.com with an individual, who has spoken regularly with the FBI over the past year, indicates that James Spence and JSA have been the subject of complaints made to the the Federal Bureau of Investigation.  The long-time autograph collector revealed to us correspondence brought to the attention of the Director of the FBI, Robert Mueller, that illustrates the need for a full-investigation into the work executed by third-party authenticators, including JSA.  Backlash against JSA and other third party authenticators has recently come to light thanks to the watchful eye of veteran dealers and collectors on Internet websites and forums like AutographAlert.com and Net54.  Our source, urged collectors and dealers to report all suspect items authenticated by JSA to the New York office of the FBI at: ny1@ic.fbi.gov.  Our source also suggests that anyone who feels they have been victimized by a JSA letter of authenticity should report their situation to the New Jersey Attorney General’s office Division of Consumer Affairs at: askconsumeraffairs@lps.state.nj.us

HERE ARE THE TOP TEN QUESTIONABLE RUTH, GEHRIG AND COBB ITEMS RECENTLY AUTHENTICATED BY JSA.  OUR READERS HAVE VOICED THEIR CONCERNS BY IDENTIFYING THESE ITEMS. WHAT’S YOUR OPINION?

Lot 1030 in REA's Spring auction.

 1. Babe Ruth Cut Signature- on a 2006 ”Upper Deck Exquisite Dual Cuts” card offered in the 2011 Spring sale of Robert Edward Auctions.  The card currently has a bid of $3,000.  Addressing a post on Net54 by a collector known as “ruth-gehrig“ stating: “This has to be the worst “authentic” Babe Ruth signature out there,” REA president Rob Lifson posted this response:

“Interesting story relating to this item:

We were aware that this was a strange looking Ruth. We’re not autograph experts, but I don’t think one has to be to look at this signature with skepticism. At best, we thought, it’s not the most beautiful Ruth signature, and is uncharacteristically sloppy; at worst, we thought, it’s not authentic. When it came in by mail we immediately contacted the consignor and expressed concern it might not be accepted even though it had apparently been authenticated by UDA’s authentication process.

The consignor then told us an interesting story: He told us that he originally had a different Upper Deck card with a Ruth signature but that the Ruth signature was not authentic. It was a stamped signature. So he went to Upper Deck with his complaint and they agreed that an error had been made and arranged for his problem Ruth signature card to be replaced. This is what it was replaced with. (I don’t know if his original card had only a Ruth signature, or if all they did was replace the Ruth signature in this card, I just can’t remember.)

On September 3, 2010, even before being evaluated in person, we sent an image of the card (front and back) to JSA with this message just in case it could be eliminated without even seeing it in person (we thought that might be the case), and if so, we could send it right back to the consignor. The text of our message read: “Is this good? It has such a strange look. It has an unusual history too – The guy that is sending this to us originally had a different Ruth-cut Upper Deck card that had a printed Ruth signature (it was a stamped sig) so they replaced it with this. Is this good?” JSA immediately responded in the affirmative that they do believe they remember certing this item. We later arranged for in-person review of this item again by JSA (as we do with all signed items, even those that have already been authenticated), and JSA confirmed in person that they had no issues with the authenticity, and formally reaffirmed their opinion. Sometimes we’ve had signatures rejected as forgeries by JSA that have been very surprising (we thought they were going to be fine). Sometimes we see signatures that for some reason we have our antennae up and we expect that there might be a problem, and in the opinion of the authenticators there isn’t. That was the case with this item. So, that’s the story of the Upper Deck Authenticated Ruth-Gehrig card.”

Based upon Rob Lifson’s response it appears that, although REA seriously questioned the Ruth autograph, they still decided to go along with James Spence’s “expert opinion” on the item Spence recognized as having previously authenticated for UDA

2. Lou Gehrig Cut Signature- featured on the back of the same 2006 “Upper Deck Exquisite Dual Cuts” card being offered in the 2011 Spring sale of Robert Edward Auctions.  The card currently has a bid of $3,000.

Lot 1030 in REA's Spring auction.

3. Babe Ruth Signature on a “Blarney Stone Restaurant/Bar, NYC, match cover-  Offered on EBAY last week with an opening bid of $2,000 or as a “Buy it Now” for $2,200 “w/full JSA.” 

Alleged Babe Ruth signature on match cover with Spence LOA

JSA certified the Ruth match-book signature on EBAY in this letter of authenticity.

Close up of the Babe Ruth “Blarney Stone” autograph LOA prepared by JSA.

4. Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig Cut Signatures- sold in February, 2011, by Beckett Select Auctions, and featured on a “2011 Topps Tribute Legendary Lineup Cuts” card.  The card featuring the alleged genuine signatures was authenticated by JSA and sold for $20,000 to Cleveland Indians pitcher, Chris Perez. In December, experts called the Ruth and Gehrig signatures “poorly executed forgeries” on this site.

Topps Legendary Cuts card featuring alleged signatures of Ruth and Gehrig.

5. Lou Gehrig signed baseball- sold in Heritage Auction Galleries Spring 2011 sale for $3,883.75.  The ball was authenticated with an “Auction LOA from James Spence Authentication.”  The ball once had additional signatures on it and Heritage also notes, “Professional restoration has eliminated any sign of the other signatures which once joined this tough Hall of Famer.”

This alleged autographed baseball by Lou Gehrig sold for in Heritage Auction's Spring 2011 sale.

 6. Babe Ruth Single Signed baseball- sold at Heritage Auction Galleries Spring 2011 sale for $6,572.50 and authenticated with an “Auction LOA from James Spence Authentication.”

Alleged Babe Ruth single signed baseball.

7. Babe Ruth signed photograph- sold for $15,600 as Lot 459 in Legendary Auctions December 2010 sale.  Allegedly inscribed to actor Gary Cooper. This photo was also authenticated by James Spence in 1999 when it sold for $22,960 in a Mastro Fine Sports auction. 

 Expert Ron Keurajian identified this item for us and previously wrote about the forger who he believes created it in an article he wrote for Sports Collectors Digest.  Keurajian identified these alleged Ruth signatures:

“The first tip off is they are too neat, too perfect.  Ruth signed in bold up and down strokes that correlated into a signature that is large, uneven, almost whimsical.  The fake Ruths are level and lack the up and down strokes.  What you need to do in focus in on the bottom of the signature.  The fake ones will be level as if written on a straight line.”

As for this Ruth signed photo to Gary Cooper, Keurajian told us, “In my opinion, its a well executed forgery.”

This Babe Ruth signed photo to Gary Cooper is believed to be a forgery.

 8. Babe Ruth Single Signed Ball- offered as Lot 63942 in American Memorabilia Spring sale with a PSA/DNA letter by James Spence and a “JSA Full letter” by James Spence.  The current bid on the ball is $7,587 and the auction ends on May 5th. 

This is at least the second time James Spence has authenticated this particular Ruth ball.  When it sold in Mastro Fine Sports Auctions’ November, 1999, sale as lot 628, it was accompanied by a Spence LOA.   

Alleged Babe Ruth autographed ball from American Memorabilia's 2011 Spring sale. Authenticated by James Spence for PSA/DNA and JSA.

 9. Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig signed baseball- Appearing as lot 1044 in Robert Edward Auctions’ 2011 Spring sale with an authentication by JSA.

 The alleged Babe Ruth signature:

Lot 1044 in REA's 2011 Spring sale.

The alleged Lou Gehrig signature:

This alleged Lou Gehrig signature appears on lot 1044 in REA's 2011 Spring sale.

 10.Lou Gehrig Single Signed Ball- this ball sold for $10,157.50 in Heritage Auction Galleries sale this past November.  In their lot description Heritage wrote:  “Close inspection by James Spence has revealed that the greeting was long ago traced over by its recipient, but it must be stressed that the signature itself is unaffected by this enhancement.”
 

This traced over Gehrig ball came with a "Full JSA LOA."

 BONUS ITEM: How about JSA’s authentication of  this alleged signature of Ty Cobb on  EBAY:

This signed Cobb bat is authenticated by JSA. Cobb expert Ron Keurajian calls it a forgery in his opinion.

 
This mini-bat being offered on EBAY was identified by one of our readers who doubts its authenticity. The mini-bat, allegedly signed by Cobb, is being offered for $17,000.  We showed this listing to Cobb expert Ron Keurajian, who had this to say: “In my opinion its a fairly well executed forgery but its labored appearance lacks the flow of an authentic Cobb signature.”

Keurajian is considered an expert on Cobb’s signature.  A few years ago Keurajian informed the Baseball Hall of Fame that it was his opinion that their alleged 1946 diary of Ty Cobb (purchased by Major League Baseball from Barry Halper) was not written in Cobb’s hand and was a forgery.  The Hall of Fame sent the diary to the FBI for analysis and the FBI experts concurred with Keurajian’s opinion.

This JSA letter of authenticity accompanies the alleged Cobb autograph being offered on EBAY.

The JSA letter of authenticity that accompanies the mini-bat, allegedly signed by Cobb, offers very little detail as to why JSA considers the signature genuine. 

What’s your opinion of these questioned items identified by Haulsofshame.com readers? Contact us with your opinion at: tips@haulsofshame.com

 


43 Comments

  1. Who authenticates this stuff for Topps and Upper Deck? That’s a serious problem for them to be selling these cards if they are fake.

    Comment by David Dyte — May 3, 2011 @ 12:46 pm

  2. From what we could gather, the Topps and Upper Deck cut signature cards in this article were authenticated for those companies by JSA and PSA/DNA.

    Comment by admin — May 3, 2011 @ 12:50 pm

  3. I’ve always wondered what made Jimmy Spence an expert.

    Comment by Gregg G — May 3, 2011 @ 12:59 pm

  4. With these conflicting opinions by various so-called experts, how is anyone ever going to know what is real? I just can’t see the valur of investng in such questionable items.

    Comment by Dorothy Mills — May 3, 2011 @ 1:08 pm

  5. Correction, it looks like the Upper Deck card with Ruth and Gehrig in the REA auction only has an LOA from JSA.

    Comment by admin — May 3, 2011 @ 1:53 pm

  6. Heritage and JSA were found out to post JSA auction LOA’s in Heritage’s auction ahead of time before the signatures were actually reviewed by Spence. This is how the following fake Muhammad Ali signature got in the auction. It had Auction LOA, JSA in the description, but even Heritage’s sports dept. head admitted in emails it hadn’t been looked at by Spence yet, that’s maybe how some of these items get in the auction. List it with auction LOA authentication before you authenticate it, will look at it later.

    http://www.autographnewslive.com/content.php?133-Classic-blog-posts-JSA-phantom-auction-LOA-s-at-Heritage-auctions.

    Comment by Travis Roste — May 3, 2011 @ 1:56 pm

  7. Regarding item #1, it is ironic that this is a replacement for an original bogus Ruth signature.
    The quality control at UD can be equated with the situation with air traffic controller supervisors.
    Both are falling down on the job.
    I am not going to give an opinion on authenticity on #1 but suffice it to say that there are numerous Babe Ruth autographs that UD could have bought to replace the bogus Ruth autograph. There are numerous autographs out there that would arouse zero controversy. Why oh why would they buy such an ugly looking, sure to arouse controversy, autograph of Babe Ruth.
    But nothing surprises me about UD. I have many examples of the horrid things they have done to autographs on my Autograph New web page at:
    http://www.richardsimonsports.com/hofauto2.htm

    Comment by Richard S. Simon — May 3, 2011 @ 2:18 pm

  8. on item #1 , the replacement ruth cut, is it known who authenticated the bogus one that was replaced. From what I read in this story it was said to be a “stamped” autograph. Did jsa authenticate the stamped one too?

    Comment by thomas mcmanus — May 3, 2011 @ 3:14 pm

  9. Another informative article for which the hobby owes you gratitude. Thanks for bringing these issues to our attention. Your Friend in Boston, Bill Hedin
    PS: It’s always a pleasure to be in such great company as the names above, especially Peter Nash and Richard Simon!

    Comment by bill — May 3, 2011 @ 3:19 pm

  10. It is a rotten shame, that John Q is still being taken to the cleaners by these so called experts, who dont know didly squat about what they are saying is real.I for one hope the FBI nails them to the wall, as they sure deserve it.

    Comment by Herbie Buck — May 3, 2011 @ 9:15 pm

  11. I personally don’t understand the lure of “autographs,” except if a celebrity/athlete signs it for you in person with you present to witness it. Even then, it is a personal moment that is the thing of value, the signature on an object or piece of paper is simply a memento of the occasion.

    For the sake of argument, I’ll assume (and may very well be wrong, in which case my argument is even stronger)that analysis of signatures and handwriting is a science, subject to accepted methods of scientific, controlled testing and analysis. If this is so, do the institutions who purport to “authenticate” signatures subject their consignments to such analysis?

    And if they do is it the equivalent to the analysis of DNA which properly performed can tell you that a particular sample, (and in this case a sample of “handwriting,”) is 99.9999999% certain to belong a specific human being and that only 1 person out of a billion could have the same result (or in this case, signed it in the same manner)? Because if I’m shelling out 20K for that scribble, that’s the kind of verification and “authentication” I want!

    When you take something as ephemeral as human handwriting and add hyper-emotional, easy to fool gullible buyers with money to burn ($20,000 for the scribbling of a dead athlete and no way to prove it’s real even if you love and truly value this stuff?) then what you are really saying, begging actually, is “Please Fleece Me . . . harder, harder . . .”

    Comment by Gene Zonarich — May 5, 2011 @ 5:48 pm

  12. First, let me state that any authenticator is going to make mistakes and render opinions that other experts may not agree with. The writer and experts quoted in this article itself state that some of the examples here may be “well-executed forgeries.” Of the thousands of items authenticated by PSA and JSA, it’s pretty easy to cherry pick ten examples someone else may disagree with.

    What concerns me is the agenda behind this article. Who is driving this? The fact that the anonymous attack and smear site autograph alert is a source immediately destroys any objectivity and undermines credibility. The same site that famously attacks PSA and JSA all day long, but turns a blind eye to the wretched track record of “forensic document authenticators” such as Chris Morales, Don Frangipani and Drew Max. Donald Frangipani — a subject of interest in Operation Bullpen — has his own web site linking to autograph alert. If that is not a damning endorsement, what is?

    Report Spence to the FBI? Really?

    How about reporting STAT authentic? About 99% of their “authetications” appear to be highly questionable. Why not report Coaches Corner to the FBI? What about reporting Chris Morales to the FBI? Can anyone show a Morales COA on an item that experts agree is authentic? Now that would be news!

    This is all about the political power struggle in the autograph hobby. Some people who formerly had the run of the place have had their power diminished by the emergence of third party authenticators. These people are desperate and will do or say anything to diminish those they feel have stolen their power. They have coordinated efforts through attack web sites and campaigns like “report Spence to the FBI.”

    Again, JSA and PSA are not perfect and need to get better. But if you really think they are the primary problem in the hobby, you are misguided.

    Comment by Steve — May 27, 2011 @ 10:45 am

  13. Agree with Steve’s (the post on May 27th, 2011@10:45am) comments 100%.

    Comment by Tony — July 2, 2011 @ 9:37 am

  14. Good writing here. I personally have been warning my customers bout JSA for years. I always tell them to watch their stuff. I know they have been authenticating garbage forever. This comes back to know your stuff. JSA has always been one of the fishy one. I never found anything they do to be repitiable

    Comment by Shimey — July 4, 2011 @ 3:49 pm

  15. What a complete joke!!!!! JSA IS NOT THE PROBLEM!!!

    HERE’S THE PROBLEM

    GAI
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    JSA AND PSA ARE OUT TO HELP THE HOBBY AND SOMETIMES THEY DO MAKE MISTAKES. BUT THEY DO NOT AUTHENTICATE EVERYTHING THAT COMES INFRONT OF THEM LIKE GAI DOES!

    Comment by JOHN — September 8, 2011 @ 9:15 am

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  20. I’ve had numerous dealings with Spence, though it’s been several years since I’ve bought anything from him, as I’ve gotten away from the hobby for sometime. I respect his knowledge and ability and do not question his integrity. In fact, I spoke with Jimmy when a dealer at a show sued him after someone purchased an autograph from him and walked it over to Spence, who gave it a “thumbs down.” Is he perfect? Who is? But to say he’s just saying what you want to hear is ludicrous. I agree with the writer who questions those who are putting a fly in the ointment – people assume they have nothing to gain by critizing his authenticators. Wrong! A couple of the Ruths above are iffy, certainly, but he wasn’t sitting
    at a desk every time he signed an autogaph. Crowded bars and whiskey flowing, or swarming fans pushing you from every angle – yet the critics want a picture perfect signature everytime! Uh huh. Not happening. Personally, I think 7 and 8 are good as gold. And to say that you can’t discern a baseline in his signature? I think just the opposite is true. As for the Cobb bat, I’ve never done it, but can you imagine signing a slick, round, wood surface with a fountain pen? They didn’t have blue Sharpies back then! Personally, I think it’s good, too. It’s not Spence that you need to look out for, but you might want him to authenticate something you purchase from some of the others mentioned. I’ll bet you money you won’t see him putting his seal of approval on many of those sent his way.

    Comment by Everett — March 17, 2012 @ 7:30 pm

  21. All of the JSA LOA are still verified under JSA’s online verification tool. Why? There’s no way some of those Ruth’s and especially the Ty Cobb bat are authentic.

    Personally I feel that JSA has monopolized the industry and if an item doesn’t have THEIR stamp and certificate of approval, value is cut into a fraction and/or considered fake.

    Comment by Lee — May 14, 2012 @ 12:52 pm

  22. I own a few items from JSA!! I don’t think I’ll ever buy more. It bothers me that people can be so greedy over money. I’m just going to buy Steiner!! It cost a little more but they are the real deal

    Comment by Ron Decker — June 1, 2012 @ 7:07 am

  23. Due to hours being cut at my job, and recent car repair bills, I decided to sell a few of my more valuable cherished autographs on ebay. Eventually planning on selling them all later over time. Sold just the Mickey Mantle 8×10, before my brother came to the rescue and said he would buy my whole collection. We got these autographs in person in the mid-late 80’s at varies card shows in Southern California. Long Beach, Aneheim (Yearly National near DisneyLand), and San Diego shows. The guy who bought my Mantle said PSA DNA returned it with a rejection letter, and he wants his money back. Sadly, if he complains to PayPal, he will win, buyers always do. I just hope I get the same one back! Quick example—Sold a 1972 Nolan Ryan card, said it would be a “7″, near mint if graded. Buyer complained to Paypal that it wouldn’t grade at NM-MT, 8. He got his money back, even though I NEVER said it would/could grade an 8. That’s pathectic Paypal! Anyway, just wanted to share my story. That auto he got from was signed in front of me, about 25 years ago, yet PSA DNA said it was a fake. I have heard of many stories of people re-submitting previously PSA DNA documented items, only to have them newly judged as fakes. This hobby is DISEASED, I am out.

    Comment by Keith Maillard — July 22, 2012 @ 3:48 pm

  24. Bad luck with JSA too…

    Comment by Tom Brighten — July 23, 2012 @ 9:32 am

  25. Some genuinely nice stuff on this website , I enjoy it.

    Comment by Dan Pfluger — September 13, 2012 @ 4:33 pm

  26. I just bought a Bela Lugosi signature on the cover of a magazine and was now wondering if JSA screwed up on that one too???
    Who do I go to to have it re authenticated???

    Comment by Horror collector — September 27, 2012 @ 7:35 pm

  27. I had an unpleasant experience with a JSA authenticator, Larry Studebaker, at the Jake Lamotta autograph signing and “Fall Spectacular” card/memorabilia show on Sunday, September 9 in Burlington, MA at the Hilton Garden Inn. The root of the problem is Mr. Studebaker’s refusal to accept $8 in quarters as the form of payment for the authentication fee for my Jake Lamotta signature ($8 was the cost of authentication for any signature obtained the day of the show). At the time that I got my signature, I had not planned on having it authenticated, but then when I saw that JSA had a table at the show I decided authentication would be a good idea. I was told by the other JSA representative working with Mr. Studebaker that any authentication for signatures obtained the day of the show-meaning my Jake Lamotta signature, for example-would have to be paid for in cash. No credit/debit cards. The ATM in the hotel lobby area was down, so my only option was to pay the $8 in quarters that I had in my car as I had no physical paper cash on me. I did not feel that this was going to be a big issue. Mr. Studebaker apparently thought otherwise.
    When I went back to the JSA table, Mr. Studebaker actually refused to accept my money and told me there was no way he was carrying $8 in quarters home with him. I at first thought he was joking and then became confused. By his reaction, you would have thought the $8 in quarters was $8,000 in quarters. I told him that I did not think the $8 in quarters was a big deal but he assured me it was. He was very arrogant throughout our whole interaction. I then told him that the ATM in the lobby was down and that I would have used it otherwise, but I only had the quarters and really wanted to get my item authenticated. He still refused. He then turned to the representative that was working with him and said, “I’m not taking those quarters. You can if you want to.” Very poor customer service. The representative working with him then said he would take the quarters. I thought to myself, “Ok, great! This is going to get done! ” I was still frustrated that Mr. Studebaker had treated me so poorly so I said, “Really, taking $8 in quarters isn’t that big a deal.” The representative working with Mr. Studebaker then got into the act of bad customer service and said “Well, it is kinda a pain in the ass to have to count out these quarters.” Um, really??? I was the only customer at the table and you mean to tell me that counting out 32 quarters is a such a major hassle that you need to give your customer a hard time about it? Need I mention that I was a first-time customer and a potential for repeat business? I then realized that JSA did not deserve my business this time or any other time and took my money and left without getting my authentication. I let Mr. Studebaker know that he had a thing or to learn about good customer service and in keeping with his arrogant demeanor that he had treated me to he replied, “No I don’t.” This was my first experience with JSA and what a first impression JSA made on me. To treat a customer in this manner is deplorable. As someone who has worked in customer service in the past, I know that this type of behavior is completely inappropriate and inexcusable.
    I did later call JSA after receiving no response to an email I had sent to them regarding this incident. I spoke with another JSA authenticator and he offered to have my item authenticated for free if I mailed it in, but the shipping cost alone that I would have to pay would have probably have been more than the fee I wanted to pay at the show. No thanks!!!

    Comment by memorabilia collector — October 7, 2012 @ 10:53 pm

  28. Best thing for a person to do is just get all autographs in person from the player……..

    Comment by felipe — October 28, 2012 @ 10:54 am

  29. I obtained signatures in person by players either at the Chicago card show or at games.I used JSA to slab them and each one came back fake? I am a collector and not a seller. I only wanted them slabbed for protection only and had no reason to try to get passed phoney auto’s!
    Never again will I use JSA or buy from any company associated with JSA.

    Comment by Pat — November 6, 2012 @ 3:18 pm

  30. THank you eBay and PayPal for suspending people for life, are you for real !!! People can make mistakes and should. E allowed to return to your sites after suspensions have compassion for sellers that are just trying to make a few extra $s to make ends meet peoplewith no neg feedbacks for trying to sell items tha
    t were won on your sites way back before all your restrictions what will happen next n o selling of stuff with NSA

    Comment by mitch — November 24, 2012 @ 11:31 pm

  31. As a Newbie, I am constantly browsing online for articles that can aid me. Thank you

    Comment by Joey — December 3, 2012 @ 3:55 pm

  32. I had a NFL Football with 34 signatures and MLB Baseball with 7 signature authenticated by JSA when they came to Orlando, Florida on November 18, 2012. I was told prior to submitting my items for authentication by Dinesh one of JSA employees that I would receive a full list of all of the signatures that was on both balls, he told me that I would receive my authentication letter within 3 weeks. I paid my $225 it took over 4 weeks to receive incomplete authentication letters. JSA only put 12 names on the authentication letter for the football which the ball having 34 signatures and only put 6 names on the baseball authentication letter which ball having 7 signatures. When I question Wade about this at the Fort Lauderdale JSA office he told me that I only paid for a partial list and not a full list. I tell you these people are nothing but scams and if you choose to have them touch your items you are going to be scammed out of your hard earn money. What I am saying the purpose of me taking the items to have them authenticated in the first place was to find out who had signed the balls and not to be given a partial list.

    Comment by Joe — December 21, 2012 @ 12:04 pm

  33. JSA is coming to Orlando, Florida on March 17, 2013 at the Doubletree Hotel on Major Blvd across from Universal Studios. I am planning to protest, I have already checked with the City of Orlando Police Department to ensure that I am within the guidelines of the law, they said I can have signs or I could even have a bull horn (with a permit). If anyone wants to join me please let me know.

    Comment by Joe — December 21, 2012 @ 12:33 pm

  34. Just recieved 2 certifications for Ted Williams autographs that I SIGNED MYSELF!!!!! My test worked. These guys are a fraud!!!!

    Comment by Never Again — January 4, 2013 @ 9:37 am

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    Comment by Steffanie Roblez — May 1, 2013 @ 2:39 pm

  40. Just had my deon sanders football rejected as fake.. Got it in person at Atlanta airport when the falcons played the saints.. Not alone do I have pictures with him (holding the football in my hand on it) also was interviewed by local fox tv there cuz someone working at the airport egged the saints bus and on tv talking about deon sanders signing for me.. What’s funny is also if any of you guys have seen him sign? He signs left handed upside down which makes his autograph kinda “interesting” and would think hard to fake.. But anyways it failed.. 35 dollars later lol.. But the worst part about them and global etc are once your in with them you pay way less $7 jsa and they pretty much pass all your stuff.. I turned in 4 items at a Daytona show where jsa had a stand, two passed two didn’t. I gave the two items to someone who had a lot of items, that same day within the same hour or them rejecting them and now for $7 per item my two items came back certified. I go get my fair share of autographs and I hear the same thing over and over again.. If your a first time customer with a good name autograph expect it to fail.. If you got 1000 items and full of bs, then come pick it up in three hours at the hotel all certed or at least 99% of it..

    Comment by Martin — May 15, 2013 @ 2:22 am

  41. I have to say I am extremely disappointed in JSA. I am a fan of Beckett grading, and JSA has partnered up with them for their authentication process. I had seven cards from the 91 & 93 Heisman set, all autographed by the seven Notre Dame winners. I bought these cards through a JSA authorized dealer, each have gone through the stamp of approval program and each having JSA’s official sticker on the back. I assumed that sending them back to JSA was just protocol to having them slabbed by Beckett. To my surprise, only two of the seven passed and were sent to Dallas after almost three months. The other five have been deemed possibly not authentic. My question is why were they before and not now? JSA was kind and offered a reimbursement for the authentication process, as well to buy back the cards as to keep them off the market. I took issue with that and taking the authentication refund, but not the cost of the cards and asked for my property back. They are going to strip the stickers off the cards, now leaving them un-gradable, and sending them back to me. I am also pulling the other two from Beckett before they are slabbed and sending all seven to PSA. This situation is truly disheartening and I now question the validity of their process. They do not have faith in their own authentication to stick with their original assessment, so why should I? I am going to post this review anywhere and everywhere I can as I am sure they will not allow this post on the JSA website. I posted it there, so if they do, I will be surprised.

    Comment by Tracy DuChien Jr — October 9, 2013 @ 5:04 pm

  42. Reminder its 3rd party opinion!
    An opinion is no guarantee its again an OPINION.
    These companies were designed to make money but also to help deter frauds.
    yes there not perfect, human errors is a guarantee.
    Unfortunately older players like ruth are not around and the authentication processes never existed.

    So your only choice is to by a psa or jsa or any opinion generated by someone.
    today wechave witness only authenticators such as tristar, upper deck, steiner although beware fakes are coming as they have no serial numbers on card and holos. Steiner said if you want to be sure to buy from him. So obviously he is not changing his procesd.
    also panini, APE,WGA etc.
    I know it costs more but takes the guess work out.
    also athletes now get paid big dollars forcbeing exclusives so this is where you should buy from.
    Examples:
    Luck-panini
    kobe-panini
    brady-tristar
    Crosby-frameworth
    jeter-steiner

    I could go on.

    I also am irritated with guys saying if you want a real one go to the game or signing to get it.
    99% of people dont have access to this thats why this industry is so big.
    as a collector you buy stuff all over the world and your surely not gonna fly all over when there is companies and processes like there is today.
    if ya want to be sure and keep your resail value by from witnessed only companies and specifically athletes exclusive if possible.

    I would still recommend to the psa ITP and jsa WPP
    certs as these are there new services offering witnessed authentication

    Comment by shaun — January 18, 2014 @ 9:36 am

  43. Yes- Follow the money- soon the legal challanges will force all the certificate issuers to print in BOLD TYPE that it is an opinion NOT a gurantee it is real. A letter from an Attorney cetifing a signature with notary will withstand a legal challange JSA certs. will NOT

    Comment by Bennie — June 29, 2014 @ 9:55 am

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